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Ham-Digital Digest          Tue, 29 Mar 94       Volume 94 : Issue   85

Today's Topics:
                    [REPOST] NTS Traffic on Packet
                [REPOST] The # in PBBS addresses....
                                DGMSK?
                  FROM INTERNET [e-mail]
                         good term for KPC3??
               HELP: Anyone know what a XR2206 chip is?
                       HF Throughput Revisited
                         JNOS in 512Kb RAM ??
     Paccom -- how to contact? -- Tiny 2 computer/radio interface
                   Packet, Satalite for solar info?
       Packet Radio and the Internet? newbie question (2 msgs)

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Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 15:53:10 GMT
From: agate!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com![e-mail]
Subject: [REPOST] NTS Traffic on Packet
To: [e-mail]

Maybe other areas should do what we do here in Eastern Massachusetts.
Here, we have assigned liasons between our local NTS BBS (K1UGM.MA)
and both nightly NTS nets (EM2MN at 20:00 and HHTN at 22:30).  At most, a
message will sit around for one day waiting to be picked up (but many
traffic handlers will grab any traffic they can handle whenever they check in)

This definitely helps keep the traffic flowing.

73,
/mike N1IST HHTN NM




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\|/     Michael L. Ardai     N1IST             Teradyne ATG Boston
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/|\     [e-mail]          [e-mail]

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Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 15:36:28 +0000
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!djwhome.demon.co.uk![e-mail]
Subject: [REPOST] The # in PBBS addresses....
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus) writes:
>
>  NA is a country code for Namibia, NOAM is a Continent Code for North
>  America.
>
NA is the internet domain name code (and ISO 2 letter code) for Namibia.
NOAM is the packet radio code for North America.  They are not from the
same naming scheme, although making the distinction avoids accidentally
using NA in an internet message.

NOAM is not a registered top level domain on Internet.  If the two naming
systems were to be integrated (a good idea, but some people disagree),
the packet names would probably be of the form ......USA.NOAM.???.ORG.
(I suspect that there would actually be no great hardship in dropping the
NOAM part, except backward compatibility, as storing a complete country
code table in a router shouldn't tax modern machines.)
--
David Woolley, London, England           [e-mail]

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Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 04:15:27 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!nntp.ucsb.edu!library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!uunet.ca!uunet.ca!lhaven.UUmh.Ab.Ca![e-mail]
Subject: DGMSK?
To: [e-mail]

What kinds of high speed packet data are allowed? Are there regulations on what
kind of data modulation is employed for packet operation?

A whole bunch of old 9600bps data radios have become available......they do
something like DGMSK or letters to that effect....and immediately its said
that's illegal.  because its not AFSK...and the units don't do AX.25.

Well, its a radio and a modem.....it also has some other stuff...a Z80 driven
by whatever software option the customer puts in....which we may or may not
keep....  depends on whether we can figure out the lay of the
hardware......maybe we'll get luck and its TNC2 compatible 8-)

Anyways, what is the rule on how 9600 bps is done in Packet? The system will
probably be for local access....since the radios are only 2W UHF, but maybe
some kind of point to point link maybe done.

--
 "Just a Crazy Engineer with an Amiga and an HP48sx"    - The Dreamer
 Email: [e-mail] or "Lawrence Chen" @ 1:134/3002
 PHONE: [phone]     FAX: [phone]      CIS: 74200,2431
 Praxis Society K12 BBS: [phone] Lunatic Haven: [phone]
 CYSNET Packet BBS:      [phone] LHaven Dialup: [phone]
 Packet: VE6LKC @ VE6PAQ.AB.CAN.NA

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Date: 28 Mar 94 18:34:00 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: FROM INTERNET [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

>      From: VE3FXQ@VA3BBS
>       To: NET@ALLUS
>   Subject: on internet access

>From: VE3FXQ@VA3BBS.#SCON.ON.CAN.NA

>  Second:   If  you are looking for an internet access point  I
have a map of some of the internet gateways.  Some of  the calls,
are:

   wg7j  w6yx  kg6id n0ary w6vio n8khn w5gb n3eua  wb7cjo  wa7sig
n4gaa k3nal wa4ong ve3rpi ve3uow ve3ocr  WB7TPY SCOTTSDALE


-----73 de Larry ve3fxq @ va3bbs  Toronto Ontario Canada

THESE CALLSIGNS WERE LOOKED UP IN THE CALLSIGN DATABASE. HR IS THE
RESULT.... W6YX, KG6ID W6VIO W5GB AND K3NAL ARE NOT LISTED. WA7SIG
HAS BEEN CHANGED TO KG7EZ. PLEASE UPDATE YOUR RECORDS...




  Callsign: wg7j


   JOHANNES K. REINALDA, WG7J
   420 NW 9TH
   CORVALLIS, OR 97330

   License Class: E


  Callsign: w6yx

  W6YX not found.


  Callsign: kg6id

  KG6ID not found.

  Callsign: w6vio

  W6VIO not found.

  Callsign: n8khn


   WILLIAM R. HEALY, N8KHN
   POB 4932
   INCLINE VILLAGE, NV 89450

   License Class: A

  Callsign: w5gb

  W5GB not found.

  Callsign: n3eua


   BDALE  GARBEE, N3EUA
   4390 DARR CIR
   COLORADO SPRINGS, CO 80908

   License Class: T

  Callsign: wb7cjo


   WALTER R. FLETCHER, WB7CJO
   BOX 3712 UNIVERSITY STATN
   LARAMIE, WY 82071

   License Class: T

  Callsign: wa7sig

now KG7EZ


  Callsign: kg7ez


   CHRIS S. MARTIN, KG7EZ
   RT 2 BOX 179
   POCATELLO, ID 83202

   License Class: A

  Callsign: n4gaa


   JAYSON T. FERRON, N4GAA
   109 BENHAM HILL RD
   WEST HAVEN, CT 06516

   License Class: E

  Callsign: wa4ong


   JAMES M. DE ARRAS, WA4ONG
   12955 RIVER RD
   RICHMOND, VA 23233

   License Class: T

  Callsign: ve3rpi


   RYEHAM  ARC, VE3RPI
   380 VICTORIA STREET
   TORONTO, ON M5B1W7

  Callsign: ve3uow


   UNIVERSITY OF  WATERLOO, VE3UOW
   ENG II RM 3352B 200 UNIVERSITY AVE
   WATERLOO, ON N2L3G1
  Callsign: ve3ocr


   OTTAWA AMATEUR RADIO CLUB  INC., VE3OCR
   BOX 8873 STATION A
   OTTAWA, ON K1G3J2

  Callsign: wb7tpy


   DAVID S. DODELL, WB7TPY
   10250 N 92ND ST 210
   SCOTTSDALE, AZ 85258

   License Class: A

VIA N4SO
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** KEN BROWN **              [e-mail]        HOME BBS:  N0ARY
** MOBILE, ALABAMA **              INTERNET
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/EX


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Date: 28 Mar 94 17:21:54 GMT
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net!news.delphi.com![e-mail]
Subject: good term for KPC3??
To: [e-mail]


I just purchased a kpc3 and am looking for a nice PD terminal
program for it.  Maybe something KPC3 specific.

Does kantronics make something for the  kpoc3 other than
pactrerm.??

thanks
pete, n1qdq

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Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 23:46:04 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.cerf.net!mvb.saic.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!softage.demon.co.uk![e-mail]
Subject: HELP: Anyone know what a XR2206 chip is?
To: [e-mail]

Help, has anyone out there heard of a chip  XR2206?

It's used in a converter to send SSTVFAX in a shareware program called
SSTVFAX2.  From what I can make out, it seems to be some kind of modem
chip, but I can't find it in any of the catalogues I have.  Can anyone
help me with any of the following information?

1. Has it got an equivalent chip I can use instead?

2. About how much is it?

3. Give me an address anywhere (any country), I can order it from.

Thanks in advance.

Mark
--


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Mark Simpson

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Date: 28 Mar 94 20:05:33 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: HF Throughput Revisited
To: [e-mail]

                       Subject:                               Time:2:03 PM
  OFFICE MEMO          HF Throughput Revisited                Date:3/28/94
Mike Van Der Westhuizen, ZS6UP, reported a mean throughput for
CLOVER II of 15.5 CPS and PacTOR of 9.7 CPS in on-the-air tests on
40 M ("A practical Comparison Between Clover and Pactor Data
Transfer Rates," CQ, Vol. 50, No. 2, Feb. 1994, pp. 40, 42.  [I'm
surprised CLOVER did not do better.]  Based on this and other
published data, the throughput (CPS) for various protocols on HF
would appear to line up as follows: AX.25 Packet 4, AMTOR ARQ 5,
RTTY 6, PacTOR 9-10, CLOVER 16, and G-TOR 24.

By the way, I don't think the Kantronics KAM used in Westhuizen's
tests implemented hardware ADC Memory ARQ. Furthermore, the
various throughput data cited above were not taken by the same
experimenters under similar conditions, etc.

Of course, there are many features that differentiate the different
protocols beside typical throughput, not the least of which is
throughput normalized to bandwidth, i.e., CPS per hertz.  And the
maximum throughput may be much higher than the throughput
measured under typical conditions (if there is such a thing as
"typical" conditions on HF!).

Comments anyone?  Reply via e-mail and I'll summarize.

73/Rick W0TN <[e-mail]>

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Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 16:45:07 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!govonca![e-mail]
Subject: JNOS in 512Kb RAM ??
To: [e-mail]

First off, thanks for reading this posting.

Secondly, I'd like to know if I should be able to run JNOS v1.10a on a
laptop that has only 512Kb of RAM before DOS loads??  On my system, after
DOS is loaded into memory I am left with about 497 Kb for other apps. Is
this enough?  What are the memory requirements for JNOS?

If you have any usefule information for me, please send an internet email to
me at the address given below.

Thanks again es 73 de John


--
  :     :                John E. Rumball
  : ... :.. :..            Sudbury, ON
:.: :.: : : : :         [e-mail]
===============    va3bus@ve3wnm.#ne.on.ca.noam

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Date: 28 Mar 94 09:45:58
From: agate!howland.reston.ans.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!cwis.isu.edu!u.cc.utah.edu!news.cc.utah.edu![e-mail]
Subject: Paccom -- how to contact? -- Tiny 2 computer/radio interface
To: [e-mail]

How can I contact Paccom, the manufacturer of computer-related radio equipment?
The "Tiny 2" sounds like what I want, but none of the mail order places I
called sell Paccom equipment.  Maybe I can buy it directly from Paccom.

How about a phone number, address, or city location of Paccom?

Thanks,
Gary

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Date: 28 Mar 1994 20:31:33 -0500
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!overload.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.intercon.com!news1.digex.net!access.digex.net![e-mail]
Subject: Packet, Satalite for solar info?
To: [e-mail]

I am new to the ham world but would like to know more.  My goal is to
bring Solar Energy information to the Third world people who have ham,
and I think the best way is by packet.  I have build t board, but haven't
tested it, and assume it won't work.  What I would like is a simple
resource, for myself and people I will non profit, non business be
communicating with.  Are there any books that can explain Terminal Node
conection, satalite hook up?  Is there an Oscar that I can use, also is
there a VITASAT that anyone knows about hooking into.  I have 2 meter
rubber duckin and all the computers I need.  We will be having a T1
internet connection that could also be useful.

Sorry about all the questions.  Thanks in advance.

N7XJM
--
Joe McCabe, P.E.
Multimedia Manager
Center for Renewable Energy and Sustainable Technology (CREST)
[e-mail]  [phone]   fax[phone]

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Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 15:26:43 +0000
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!djwhome.demon.co.uk![e-mail]
Subject: Packet Radio and the Internet? newbie question
To: [e-mail]

In article <2mn1ai$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Donald Jeff Dionne) writes:

>: I understand that it is possible to send and receive internet email
>: via packet radio but what about news.
>
>email is ok, but Usenet News is frowned upon.  It generates lots of traffic,
>and the content is not always appropriate for radio.

Email is only absolutely OK if the contents of the messages is within the
terms of the amateur licence and all recipients and senders are licensed
amateurs.  Some countries may relax the latter restriction, but only
on a reciprocal basis.  You may not send Email to, or receive it from,
people in the UK who are not licensed amateurs.
--
David Woolley, London, England           [e-mail]

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Date: Sun, 27 Mar 94 08:28:26 EST
From: yale.edu!noc.near.net!mv!lmr![e-mail]
Subject: Packet Radio and the Internet? newbie question
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Andre Bell) writes:

> Hi All:
>     Can someone please answer some questions for me?
> Can one receive Usenet News and post News replies via Packet Radio.
> I understand that it is possible to send and receive internet email
> via packet radio but what about news.

Well, it is possible to access a Waffle BBS via packet.  The problem isn't
technical so much as legal.  You can't have business traffic on amateur
frequencies, so you or someone else would have to monitor stuff pretty
closely.

Larry W1HJF
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L. M. Rappaport &  Associates, Inc.   [e-mail]   voice [phone]
Colebrook, NH  03576-0158             CIS 72427,2567    fax   [phone]

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Date: 29 Mar 1994 01:30:17 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!bradley.bradley.edu!augustana.edu![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>
Subject : NTS Only BBS? (was Re: [REPOST] NTS Traffic on Packet)

A dumb set of questions regarding BBS and NTS, with a follow:

(1) Would there be enough NTS traffic to warrant a set of NTS only
(or at least NTS priority) BBS systems across the country to forward
NTS-type traffic?

(2) I how much time, effort, and cost is involved in running a BBS?

I ask not to point any fingers, but because I can't fathom what
the costs would be.  I can think of there being the expense for
a good antenna, a reasonable 2m rig (50 watts?), a reasonably
fast computer (486 of some flavor) with a decent size hard disk,
that this power-hungry computer (400 VA watts?) would be running
24 hours a day, your time and effort in seeing that the computer
and radio keep running.  I suspect MUCH IS already being given
by BBS operators as a service, but I'm just curious of the
accounting.  Maybe a few statements by BBS operators will
enlighten more than a few of us of the services we use and
keep asking for without thinking about hidden costs, or at
least costs we've individually externalized.  Amateur radio is
very much a hobby of willful giving and sharing, and we shouldn't
come to expect when expectations shouldn't be there.

At the same time, though, I would hope some compromise/working
solution can be found between NTS and BBS operations, which
is what prompted me to post.

Enough said.  Off the orange crate.

Words from this outside.....     73 de Kevin, KB9IUA

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Kevin L. Anderson,     Geography Dept.,     Augustana College
Rock Island, Illinois   61201   USA     phone: [phone]
e-mail: [e-mail]  or [e-mail]
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 23:42:20 GMT
From: world![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <2mpp9j$[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>
Subject : Re: [REPOST] NTS Traffic on Packet

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Michael L. Ardai) writes:
>
>Maybe other areas should do what we do here in Eastern Massachusetts.
>Here, we have assigned liasons between our local NTS BBS (K1UGM.MA)
>and both nightly NTS nets (EM2MN at 20:00 and HHTN at 22:30).  At most, a
>message will sit around for one day waiting to be picked up (but many
>traffic handlers will grab any traffic they can handle whenever they check in)

I am trying to get this set up in West Mass as well. One problem I do see is
that the BBS community sets up new BBS's, turns on NTS handling abilities,
then expects that the NTS folks will somehow find those new BBS's and check
for messages on them. The BBS constructing folks really need to talk on
occasion with others to let others know what's up.

The problems with NTS use of BBS's are not the fault of the BBS folks or the
NTS folks exclusively. The groups need to talk and make sure they are in
sync. The alternative is visible as "status-qou" in most parts of the
country, where each group complains about the other.

>
>This definitely helps keep the traffic flowing.
>
>73,
>/mike N1IST HHTN NM
>

73,

Dan N1JEB SM WMA

--
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Daniel Senie                 Internet:     [e-mail]
Daniel Senie Consulting                    [e-mail]
508-779-0439                 Compuserve:   74176,1347

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Date: 28 Mar 1994 18:46:44 GMT
From: nothing.ucsd.edu![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>
Subject : Re: [REPOST] The # in PBBS addresses....

[e-mail] (David Woolley) writes:
>
>NOAM is not a registered top level domain on Internet.  If the two naming
>systems were to be integrated (a good idea, but some people disagree),
>the packet names would probably be of the form ......USA.NOAM.???.ORG.

Actually, the transformation is a bit more complex process, but yields a
less complex result.

Any hambbs-to-internet gateway which forwards mail will be required to

    1) be fully registered (both A and MX records) with
    the AMPR.ORG domain server.

    2) be able to utilize MX records for mail exchange on the
    internet.

    3) be capable of accomodating a routing table large enough to
    handle all the ham packet BBSs that will be routing to the
    internet through it, and automatically update that table.

    4) be able to generate MX records as required and submit them to
    the central ampr.org database maintenance robot, either
    automatically or by hand.

The procedure is:

   When mail arrives from an AX.25 bbs at a ham-to-internet gateway
system, the gateway

    1) updates its routing table for that BBS to reflect the routing
    hints contained in the return address.
    E.g., mail arriving at the WB6KDT gateway

        FROM WB6XYZ@WB6CYT.#SOCA.CA.USA.NOAM

    generates a routing table entry of

        WB6CYT            #SOCA.CA.USA.NOAM


    2) the bbs from line is rewritten* as

        From: [e-mail]

    and the mail is injected into the internet


    3) An MX record for WB6CYT.AMPR.ORG is established (if it does
    not already exist)**, pointing to the gateway system (in this
    example, WB6KDT.AMPR.ORG) with a preference value equal to the
    number of stations the message took to make it to the gateway
    from the bbs where it originated.

Yes, it's a bit elaborate.  But it's RIGHT.  It's clearly the way it
ought to be done.  Let's do it.
    - Brian

* Yes, rewriting addresses is supposed to be a sin.  It's unavoidable
when you change addressing methods between networks, so in this case
we have to do it.  I don't like that either but there's no choice.

** Yes, there's a timing problem here if a reply message is sent
before the nameserver gets updated and propagated.  It's a one-time
problem, though, and could be solved by pre-registration.  After all,
how many BBSs are there near each gateway system?

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